[Dysphagia] Qualifications

[TBAGGS at astate.edu (TERRY W. BAGGS)]

Irene

I have learned a few things from you through the years.  Thanks for the information you diligently provide.  However, I have grown weary of the attitude that pervades a number of your posts.  I think I must be at my limit.

I'm surprised you "stopped teaching SLPs" because their training was so inadequate, but you apparently still teach OTs, nurses, dietitians, and others.  I don't see their training as being far superior to ours, in fact in some ways, it is inferior.  I think our universities do a good job of training SLPs for the world in which they work.  We (I teach in a university) could do better.  But, you must understand that our scope of practice is much broader than what you probably think it is.  And, we must train in ALL of these areas.  How much do you know about voice disorders or fluency disorders or audiological disorders, etc.?  And, I can tell you in most parts of the country, if the SLPs weren't doing dysphagia management, no one would be.

I think the proof is in the pudding.  And, I don't believe that SLPs do a bad job.  I believe there are good rehab indicators that suggest otherwise.

Terry Baggs








-----Original Message-----
From: dysphagia-bounces@b9.com [mailto:dysphagia-bounces@b9.com] On Behalf Of Irene Campbell-Taylor
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:20 PM
To: Buckie,Marcia; Barbara C. Sonies; dysphagia@b9.com
Subject: RE: [Dysphagia] Qualifications

I have provided direct, hands on patient care in major teaching hospitals as well as nursing homes and community clinics for over 25 years. I don't imagine you know many clinical neuroscientists as there are only about six of us in North America. I have taught clinical as well as instrumental assessment to physicians, SLPs, OTs, nurses, dietitians and others for many years as several members of this list can attest. I stopped teaching SLPs at the university level several years ago since the level and amount of training is so inadequate.

"Buckie,Marcia" <mbuckie@dmc.org> wrote:  I agree with Barbara. With the exception of assessment of ocular movements and gait, I think graduate classes and clinical practicums are providing this. I have gotten training in lung auscultation, but considering that I work in an acute setting with critical care nurses and physicians, I don't do it routinely, because I know that there frequent assessments are going to be better than mine.

Irene, you make several good points, however, I have yet to run across any neuroscientists that do patient care, let alone dysphagia evaluations, and I work for an 8 hospital healthcare system. 

Marcia

Marcia Peterson Buckie, M.A.CCC-SLP
Senior Speech Language Pathologist
Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation/ 1 West
Sinai-Grace Hospital
Detroit, Mi 


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Barbara C. Sonies
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:38 PM
To: Irene Campbell-Taylor; dysphagia@b9.com
Subject: Re: [Dysphagia] Qualifications


I beg to differ with you Irene as many of the classes that are being taught
for masters level students in SLP do cover the skills listed below. I teach
both a basic and advanced level courses and feel that if my students retain
all that was presented in my class and have a strong practicum experience
they ARE indeed qualified!!.


> From: Irene Campbell-Taylor 
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:21:46 -0800 (PST)
> To: 
> Subject: [Dysphagia] Qualifications
> 
> 
> Recently, I have had a number of personal messages about my own background
> and training as well as requests for suggestions as to a method for upgrading
> skills and knowledge. I will answer these questions here.
> The ASHA position paper is my basis and excerpts serve to illustrate my
> points:
> OEAmerican Speech-Language-Hearing Association. (2002). Knowledge and skills
> needed by speech-language pathologists providing services to individuals with
> swallowing and/or feeding disorders. ASHA Supplement 22, 81&shy;88.
> Recognizing the significant potential impact of swallowing and feeding
> disorders on overall health and quality of life, it is essential that
> speech-language pathologists possess the knowledge and skills to be proficient
> in their management of these disorders.
> Basic Competencies
> The purpose of this document is to outline the knowledge and skills needed
> by speech-language
> pathologists providing services to individuals with swallowing and/or
> feeding disorders. These knowledge
> and skill areas form the basis for assessing clinical competency in this
> specialized area of practice. OE
> *** These are BASIC skills and knowledge &shy; please note, not ADVANCED.
> In addition, speech-language pathologists assessing individuals with
> potential swallowing and/or feeding disorders and providing treatment to
> individuals with such disorders should have a basic understanding of the
> following:
> 
> EUR Normal and abnormal anatomy and physiology related to swallowing function.
> *** This implies a knowledge of basic gross anatomy, physiology,
> neuroanatomy, neurophysiology, pulmonary function, gastroesophageal function,
> and on and on.
> Please remember, these are described as being BASIC competencies.
> 
> EUR Indications for, and procedures involved with, instrumental techniques
> used to assist in diagnosis and management.
> *** Please note that instrumental techniques ?assist? in diagnosis &shy; they
> never ?diagnose? by themselves. The most important part of any diagnosis is
> the patient?s history, followed by examination and THEN appropriate
> instrumental examinations. VFSS is not always either appropriate or
> necessary.
> 
> EUR Understanding of medical issues related to swallowing and feeding
> disorders.
> *** Probably the most important aspect of all. Without a background in basic
> sciences and medical, clinical
> aspects or a very intensive learning process, this is not possible.
> 
> 1.c. Knowledge of nutritional intake methods (oral and nonoral) and the
> problems associated with each that may contribute to dysphagia or be
> exacerbated by dysphagia;
> *** The major problems associated with, for example, NG and PEG feeding.
> 
> .d. Knowledge of signs and symptoms of swallowing and/or feeding disorders
> in the individual?s behavior, medical history, and medical status;
> *** While there can be no ?symptoms? of a symptom (dysphagia) it is correct
> that the patient?s history and current medical status must be understood.
> This means understanding the effects of GI, cardiopulmonary, immune,
> oncological, and many other disorders as well as the exact nature of the
> patient?s nutrition/hydration status.
> 
> 1.f. Knowledge of assessment strategies for use with individuals with
> swallowing and/or feeding disorders.
> *** I would suggest knowledge of a full and complete clinical examination
> including cranial nerves, extraocular movements etc.
> 
> Skills:
> 1.1 Recognize signs and symptoms of swallowing and feeding disorders;
> *** Such as certain extraocular movements mentioned above as well as voice,
> respiratory abnormalities, gait etc. etc.
> .
> 2.0 Role: Conduct a clinical examination of the upper aerodigestive tract.
> *** See above.
> 
> 2.f. Knowledge of any special medical condition (e.g., pulmonary
> dysfunction, tracheostomy,
> neuromotor involvement) that may have an impact on an individual?s feeding
> and swallowing.
> *** See above.
> Skills:
> 2.1 Identify abnormal structure;
> *** How many look inside the mouth and inspect the roof of the mouth as well
> as dentition?
> 
> 2.3 Identify significant signs, symptoms,medical conditions, and medications
> pertinent
> to dysphagia;
> ** This alone requires extensive study.
> 
> 2.4 Conduct an oral, pharyngeal, laryngeal,and respiratory
> function/expiration examination as it relates to functional assessment of
> swallowing and feeding;
> *** It is difficult to know exactly what this means. Everyone should be able
> to perform an auscultatory examination of the lungs but is that what is meant?
> 
> 3.b. Knowledge of the variability of normal swallowing behaviors (e.g.,
> bolus volume,viscosity, age, or gender);
> *** How many are taught that there are gender differences? Age differences &shy;
> in NORMAL swallowing?
> 
> One could go on ad nauseam but I think the problems are clear.
> Now the solution, and few are going to like what I have to say, but then,
> what else is new?
> This is a field that should be a post graduate area of study all by itself
> leading to a PhD in a specific area &shy; pediatric, geriatric, brain injury and
> so on. There is no other way to ensure possession of the skills and knowledge
> that ASHA takes the position that everyone needs to have.
> If anyone else can suggest an equally comprehensive process, I would like to
> hear it.
> 
> 
> Dr I Campbell-Taylor
> Clinical Neuroscientist
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